Israeli Holocaust Continuum

Israeli Holocaust Continuum
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Faruque Ahmed	Dec 20 2006, 01:38 AM Post #1
Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 15-Dec 06 Member No.: 5,258	This article was written during the last Sydney visitation of Dr. Hannan Ashrawi. Since then, this article was republished in many forums including the Sydney Morning herald’s Web Diary and no one pointed out any inaccuracy or mistake! However, I was speaking with Margo Kingston at the Anthony Loewenstein’s book launch and she confirmed my suspicion regarding her departure from the Sydney Morning Herald’s Web Diary! Good old Professor Peter Manning reported Dr. Ashrawi visit and their encounter with our ASIO in his book “US and Them” very nicely! Faruque Israel depends on war and hate. by Hamidul 16 Jun 2006 Israel depends on war and hate. Peace is not good for Israel. Zio-Nazi media, ignorant and opportunist Israelites inside and outside Israel are the real enemies of peace and stability. Sydney Lord Mayor Lucy Turnbul has proven that she is one of the opportunist Israelites of our time. Nazi Zionists, Do Not Hide and Tell Us The Truth! Further to Australian Tradition and ozcabs heroes http://sydney.indymedia.org/node/37377 , Nazi Zionist Criminals Exposed http://sydney.indymedia.org/node/37391 , Zionism vs Nazism http://sydney.indymedia.org/node/35885 and An Evening with Rod Barton, Author – Weapon’s Detective, Sydney University http://sydney.indymedia.org/node/37397 ; please examine the following and deliver your verdict should you wish. Faruque vs Lucy Re: Israel Palestine Conflict Israel is a racist and fascist state worse than Hitler's. Its constitution, bureaucracy, judiciary and the whole socio-religio-political systems are totally inconsistent with any civilised and democratic society; even a dictatorial state. For more details Please examine: Israeli Holocaust In Palestine: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/13http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/29 Racist and Fascist State: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/655/re9.htm Israel depends on war and hate. Peace is not good for Israel. Zio-Nazi media, ignorant and opportunist Israelites inside and outside Israel are the real enemies of peace and stability. Sydney Lord Mayor Lucy Turnbul has proven that she is one of the opportunist Israelites of our time. Oslo: A little European country brokered the Oslo Peace Accords. Both people inside and outside Israel and Palestine were happy and relieved as both Israel and Palestine recognised each other and it appeared that they were seriously looking for peace. Then came the bad news. A Jewish militant massacred 39 kneeling worshipers inside Al-Aqsa Mosque while Israeli soldiers watched it smiling. Yithzak Rabin was murdered by a Jewish extremist- followed by Arial Sharon's calculated visit to provoke Palestinians- while escorted by a few thousands police and army personal. Camp David: The talk went on at Camp David hosted by the US President Bill Clinton. During those talks Ehud Barak offered nothing to Yasser Arafat- as he was lacking of gumption enough to offer anything substantial, because he was afraid that any substantial compromise could lead his murder by extremists like the Rabin execution. So, Yaser Arafat had nothing to accept or reject and talks collapsed. Professor I J Bickerton of University of NSW and many other experts have used Israeli documents to prove that Israel offered nothing in that talk. A series of seminars concerning Israel Palestine conflict were hosted by the Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies of the Sydney University. Surprisingly, the Zio-Nazi media of Australia did not report about it. http://www.arts.usyd.edu.au/centres/cpacs/research.htm Well-known and respected Australian broadcaster Philip Adams has invited plethora of Israeli and Palestinian experts and discussed the issue and they too, reconfirmed the fact that Israel offered nothing to Palestinians. Now, the reality is Israelis have taken away 78% of the Palestinian land since 1967 gradually sliced up the Occupied Palestine into 70 pieces connecting to ring roads excluding Palestinians from their homes, farms, work, etc. These 20 000 settlers unlawfully grabbed the Palestinian land, turned Palestine into the longest running concentration camp of this universe with a stamp of infinity. Penultimately, what is the solution? Remove those illegal settlers and hand over the tiny 22% land to the Palestinian or collect them all, transport them to Auschwitchz and restart Hitler's Gas chambers to finish them all instead of murdering them every day. Remember -Yaser Arafat, Marwan Bargouti, Hannan Ashrawi or any other Palestinians are not the enemy of peace but successive Israeli governments are! Because, peace is not good for them!! Further reading might assist to understand the conflict and vicious politics behind the scene. Even Zio-Nazi says, "Israel is doing immoral things" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/4834 Mike Carlton and Zio-Nazi crimes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/4800 Alan Ramsey of SMH on Dr. Ashrawi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/4801 Philip Adam the respected Radio Man http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/4746 Lovely Margo / Zio-Nazis want to stop free speech! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/5050 Peace hopes held hostage http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/5003 Dr. Hannan Ashrawi in ABC TV http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/4920 Zio-Nazi cowards http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/4969 Alan Ramsey exposes Zio-Nazi Forces in Australia Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeamericanow/message/5057 Good People http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shonar-bangla/message/1259 Source: Israel depends on war and hate http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/dis...15914/index.php Israeli Holocaust:

Faruque Ahmed	Dec 21 2006, 08:51 PM Post #2
Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 15-Dec 06 Member No.: 5,258	Recent Mission of Tony Blair Tony Blair got many problems at home including some police investigations! Suddenly he packs his bags and flies to Iraq, Palestine and UAE! Why is it so? I know why! He will organise some more fights between Hamas and Fattah in Palestine, Shias and Sunnis in Iraq!! To assist his mission Israeli war lord Ehud Olmert is already in Jordan . Remember, it is Britain who have created original problem in Palestine and America who is terrorising Palestinians to ensure their Israeli master remains terroriser of mankind! They are not working for peace!! Elijah Gatewood - Reporting from Washington. Reasons Iran and Syria, and all Muslims, must ignore U.S. and British cries to stop civil war in Iraq. It is official the United States Government officials have stated that they are losing the war in Iraq. And they must lose. Democracy allows mistakes, while at the same time creating chaos. American officials have sought a diplomatic solution to the crises, but it is only a diversion to temporarily stop war operations. Throughout it's entire history, the United States has been a war making country. Therefore, Muslims must not accept anything, not even candy, from the U.S. military or money from the U.S., British Government or even private businesses. They are tricks to further evil policies in the Middle East. Source: http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2006/12/6175.shtml

Teggeh	Dec 21 2006, 09:25 PM Post #3
Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 26-Oct 06 From: Sydney Member No.: 4,619	[Mod: offensive image deleted; AM] You dropped something. -------------------- With all the new members. Back to my old sig. 100% Non-Muslim Male.

Faruque Ahmed	Dec 21 2006, 09:33 PM Post #4
Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 15-Dec 06 Member No.: 5,258	QUOTE(Teggeh @ Dec 21 2006, 09:25 PM) [Mod: offensive image deleted; AM] You dropped something. Would you be kind enough to present an iota of evidence in support of your sick and very cheap accusation! I do not mid a debate or discussion. However, I do condemn childish or ill-motivated . accusations as only people with no grounds or leg to stand on generally run away from debate(s) by using false emotions

pepe	Dec 21 2006, 09:38 PM Post #5
Group: Members Posts: 644 Joined: 5-Oct 06 From: north sydney Member No.: 4,421	teggeh btw you know the origins of that "symbol" right? are you accusing Faruque Ahmed of being a kaffar?

Teggeh	Dec 21 2006, 09:39 PM Post #6
Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 26-Oct 06 From: Sydney Member No.: 4,619	a) Get better sources. B ) Get historians, get scholars, academics or at minimum a textbook to back up your statements. c) If I wanted to prove that all Muslims were terrorists, rapists and women beaters, I would easily be able to find similar strength sources to you. Would that make my arguement correct? Stop preaching [Mod: swearing; AM] and start researching. I would recommend starting by reading "How to end the war of 1948 Israel/Palestine" by Tanya Reinhart. Before you say what I imagine you will "Written by a Zionist Jew! Propaganda!" I would start by viewing her website www.tau.ac.il/~reinhart and get a bit of background on her. It will give you a better, more basic idea on Israel's policy, without the sensationalist [Mod: swearing; AM] you seem to eat up. Once you have done as much research in to the topic as I have, then I will talk to you. edit: Does anyone not know the origin of the Nazi flag? This post has been edited by AM: Dec 22 2006, 08:22 AM -------------------- With all the new members. Back to my old sig. 100% Non-Muslim Male.

Legally Insane	Dec 21 2006, 09:46 PM Post #7
Group: Brothers Posts: 2,596 Joined: 5-Oct 06 From: Sydney Member No.: 4,419	The swastika was a symbol of strength and good luck used by many different cultures. It's one of the world's oldest symbols. -------------------- If there's a will, there's a lawyer

Teggeh	Dec 21 2006, 09:47 PM Post #8
Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 26-Oct 06 From: Sydney Member No.: 4,619	Buddist symbol I believe. Although it has been rotated. -------------------- With all the new members. Back to my old sig. 100% Non-Muslim Male.

Faruque Ahmed	Dec 21 2006, 09:55 PM Post #9
Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 15-Dec 06 Member No.: 5,258	QUOTE(Teggeh @ Dec 21 2006, 09:47 PM) Buddist symbol I believe. Although it has been rotated. You are wrong ! It is from the Hindu religion.

Faruque Ahmed	Dec 21 2006, 09:58 PM Post #10
Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 15-Dec 06 Member No.: 5,258	QUOTE(Teggeh @ Dec 21 2006, 09:39 PM) a) Get better sources. B ) Get historians, get scholars, academics or at minimum a textbook to back up your statements. c) If I wanted to prove that all Muslims were terrorists, rapists and women beaters, I would easily be able to find similar strength sources to you. Would that make my arguement correct? Stop preaching [Mod: swearing; AM] and start researching. I would recommend starting by reading "How to end the war of 1948 Israel/Palestine" by Tanya Reinhart. Before you say what I imagine you will "Written by a Zionist Jew! Propaganda!" I would start by viewing her website www.tau.ac.il/~reinhart and get a bit of background on her. It will give you a better, more basic idea on Israel's policy, without the sensationalist [Mod: swearing; AM] you seem to eat up. Once you have done as much research in to the topic as I have, then I will talk to you. edit: Does anyone not know the origin of the Nazi flag? You are making insane comments instead of answering my valid questions. Remember, ignorance is not a defence !

Legally Insane	Dec 21 2006, 09:59 PM Post #11
Group: Brothers Posts: 2,596 Joined: 5-Oct 06 From: Sydney Member No.: 4,419	QUOTE(Teggeh @ Dec 21 2006, 09:47 PM) Buddist symbol I believe. Although it has been rotated. QUOTE(Faruque Ahmed @ Dec 21 2006, 09:55 PM) You are wrong ! It is from the Hindu religion. you're both wrong, it's been widely used by many different cultures. -------------------- If there's a will, there's a lawyer

Faruque Ahmed	Dec 21 2006, 10:03 PM Post #12
Group: Members Posts: 287 Joined: 15-Dec 06 Member No.: 5,258	QUOTE(Legally Insane @ Dec 21 2006, 09:59 PM) you're both wrong, it's been widely used by many different cultures. Any evidence in support of your claim

Teggeh	Dec 21 2006, 10:05 PM Post #13
Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 26-Oct 06 From: Sydney Member No.: 4,619	No, because your discussion, your debate is ill-informed and ignorant. You are not researching, you are finding points which agree with what you want to say. The bias in these articles is not hidden what so ever, "Remember -Yaser Arafat, Marwan Bargouti, Hannan Ashrawi or any other Palestinians are not the enemy of peace but successive Israeli governments are!" Yaser Arafat said HIMSELF, something along the lines (I don't have the effort nor the time to find the exact quote) of "If I signed that agreement, I would be killed by my own people", he knew that if he made any concessions, any agreements with Israel that was short of "Israel no longer exists and Palestine gets complete control of the area" he would be killed by Hamas, PLO etc etc. Hardliner Israeli's are no different to hardliner Palestinians. They both want destruction of the other and will never negotiate otherwise. Jersusalem (spelling is wrong) is the deal breaker, Israel and Palestine want it, and will not sign anything unless they have it and the other does not. -------------------- With all the new members. Back to my old sig. 100% Non-Muslim Male.

Abdul Rahman	Dec 21 2006, 10:17 PM Post #14
As-salam Alaykum السلام عليكم Group: Brothers Posts: 2,805 Joined: 1-Dec 05 From: Not far enough away. Member No.: 2,519	QUOTE(Faruque Ahmed @ Dec 21 2006, 11:03 PM) I hate this "emo"ticon. -------------------- Since !Highlighter! is an emo, she can't work out if she's coming or going. Where there's a lawyer there's a bill.

dori_kin	Dec 21 2006, 11:39 PM Post #15
Group: Banned Posts: 230 Joined: 25-Nov 06 Member No.: 4,978	maybe hes accusing u of being buddhist...

AM	Dec 22 2006, 08:17 AM Post #16
crumbs Group: Moderators Posts: 1,686 Joined: 21-May 03 Member No.: 387	Whatever the source of the swastika, it has been used in the 20th century as a symbol of fascist and racist totalitarianism. Such offensive images will not be tolerated on this forum. Teggeh, your point can be made without actually posting up such images.

AM	Dec 22 2006, 08:28 AM Post #17
crumbs Group: Moderators Posts: 1,686 Joined: 21-May 03 Member No.: 387	I'm getting tired of having to clean up people's casual swearing. Please exercise more care when writing posts.

Faruque Ahmed

Feb 6 2007, 01:59 AM Post #18

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Jewish Comm.Relations Council of Silicon Valley SILENCES an Honest Jew Why discredit, defame and silence those with opposing viewpoints ? I believe it is because the Zionist lobby knows it Cannot Win Based on Facts http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...INGFLNSJQJ1.DTL Silencing critics not way to Middle East peace - Joel Beinin, Sunday, February 4, 2007 Last Sunday in San Francisco, the Anti-Defamation League sponsored "Finding Our Voice," a conference designed to help Jews recognize and confront the "new anti-Semitism." For me, it was ironic. Ten days before, my own voice was silenced by fellow Jews. I was to give a talk about our Middle East policy to high school students at the Harker School in San Jose. With one day to go, my contact there called to say my appearance had been canceled. He was apologetic and upset. He expected the talk would be intellectually stimulating and intriguing for students. But, he said, "a certain community of parents" complained to the headmaster. He added, without divulging details, that the Jewish Community Relations Council of Silicon Valley had played a role. [Editor's note: Diane Fisher, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Silicon Valley, says that although she left a message for the school principal, she never actually spoke to him, and any suggestion that the council was responsible for the cancellation of Beinin's appearance at the school is inaccurate and an "unlikely inflation of JCRC's influence."] I was raised a Zionist. I went to Israel after high school for six months to live on a kibbutz. I met my wife there. We returned four years later thinking we'd spend our lives on a kibbutz, working the land and living the Zionist dream. Why did the council feel the need to silence me? In fact, this was not our first run-in. I have long advocated equal rights for the Palestinians, as I do for all people. I criticize Israeli policies. I seem to have crossed the council's line of acceptable discourse. Because I am a Jew, it is not so easy to smear me as guilty of this "new anti-Semitism." Instead, hosts like the Harker School, and others, are intimidated, and open dialogue on Israel is censored. In 2005, Marin's Rodef Sholom synagogue caved to the council and revoked my invitation, unless my talk was accompanied by a rebuttal. Roy Mash, a board member, resigned in protest. He asked in his resignation letter whether "given Judaism's long and deep tradition of concern for justice and ethics, a Jewish venue is (not) precisely the setting most appropriate for a speaker like Dr. Beinin?" I was indeed raised to believe that being Jewish meant being actively committed to social justice. I moved to Israel expecting to pursue that ideal. Yet much of what I saw there called this into question. I tended livestock on Kibbutz Lahav, which was established on the ruins of three Palestinian villages. The Palestinian inhabitants had been expelled and, because they are not Jewish, were unable to return. One day, we needed extra workers to help clean manure from the turkey cages. The head of the turkey branch said we should not ask for kibbutz members to do the work because, "This isn't work for Jews. This is work for Arabushim." "Arabushim" is an extremely derogatory racial term. I had participated in the civil rights movement in America, picketing Woolworth's stores that wouldn't serve African Americans. Yet in Israel I discovered the same, stark racism. How could this bring peace between Palestinians and Israelis? While still living in Israel, I began to speak out for equal rights for Palestinians, as I had done for blacks in America. Organizations claiming to represent American Jews - engage in a systematic campaign of defamation, - censorship and hate-mongering to silence criticism of Israeli policies. They hollow the ethical core out of the Jewish tradition, acting instead as if the highest purpose of being Jewish is to defend Israel, right or wrong. No one is spared. New York University Professor Tony Judt also moved to Israel with notions of justice. Judt learned, as I did, that most Israelis were "remarkably unconscious of the people who had been kicked out of the country and were suffering in refugee camps to make this fantasy possible." In October, the Polish Consulate in New York canceled a talk by Judt after pressure from the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee. Even former U.S. presidents are not immune. Jimmy Carter has been the target of a smear campaign since the release of his latest book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid." Carter's most vociferous critics have not challenged him on the issues Rather, they discredit him with personal attacks, even insinuating that the man who has achieved more than any other American president in Arab/Israeli peacemaking is anti-Semitic Why discredit, defame and silence those with opposing viewpoints? I believe it is because the Zionist lobby knows it cannot win based on facts. An honest discussion can only lead to one conclusion: The status quo in which Israel declares it alone has rights and intends to impose its will on the weaker Palestinians, stripping them permanently of their land, resources and rights, cannot lead to a lasting peace. We need an open debate and the freedom to discuss uncomfortable facts and explore the full range of policy options. Only then can we adopt a foreign policy that serves American interests and one that could actually bring a just peace to Palestinians and Israelis. ================================= Joel Beinin co-edited "The Struggle for Sovereignty: Palestine and Israel, 1993-2005." Contact us at insight@.... Page E - 2 URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...INGFLNSJQJ1.DTL ======================= - he True Believer? "People whose lives are barren and insecure seem to show a greater willingness to obey than people who are self-sufficient and self-confident. - To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint. They are eager to barter their independence for relief of the burdens of willing, deciding and being responsible for inevitable failure. They willingly abdicate the directing of their lives to those who want to plan, command and shoulder all responsibility." ~ Eric Hoffer ======================= Patriot Act 5 Disclaimer Notice: This post and all my past and future posts represent Parody and Satire and are all intended for Entertainment and Amusement purposes Only. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bangla-vision/message/19526 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/religionandt...ism/message/123 This post has been edited by Faruque Ahmed: Feb 6 2007, 02:05 AM